/a/ - Animu & Mango

repost bernfag that shit was lol

Gaap looked like a man in the sound novel

>SHe may just be dragging Ange, Beato, and Natsuhi in the dirt to fire up Battler and make him miraculously win this in a way that blows up in Lambda's eternal tie wanting face and exposes the culprit. Perhaps she gets the most entertainment from watching Battler be ground down again and again to eventually produce a miracle, just like a little girl from rural Japan did in another kareka across time and space. . .
Then why wasn't she excited when he figured everything out?

The reason Beatrice's personality changes every game is because she reflects a different culprit each time

Discuss

stupid sexy gaap

>>25644543
>she is there to "troll and cause random misery to everyone"
>she wants to have fun with this game and be entertained for a while
what's the difference?

>>25644638
Yes I believe this is the right topic. Fuck the false troll accusations and shipperwars.

>>25644543
I can see where you're coming from to an extent, but after playing EP5 I just can't see it myself. She had Battler killed and wanted to leave him as a trophy of victory in the kakera entrance, and I just...can't see how that's supposed to help him.

>>25644671
>The reason Beatrice's personality changes every game

I don't think it does at all.

>>25644638
Your mom looked like a man last night.

>>25644649
I was not disappoint. Good job, anon.

>>25644671
>The reason Beatrice's personality changes every game

Wut? It's always remained the same.

>>25644709

>>25644671

It doesn't change, people just don't pay attention

People actually like Beato even though she's used goods?

Even though Ange is related to Battler, she's probably the better choice. She's actually pure.

I would grope Gaap.

>>25644722
That was my dad you fucking faggot.

>>25644671

I don't think that's true, but it'd be interesting if it were.

>>25644750
A used Ferrari is still better than a new Mercedes.

>>25644750
0/10 trying too hard.

>>25644750
I don't know. I guess I just like her for such trivial things as her personality and character.

>>25644717
>>25644726
>>25644740
The magic characters are reflections of the human characters. This is a pretty basic assumption, but let's develop it a bit further. That Ronowe and Virgilia are equivalent to Genji and Kumasawa is pretty obvious by the later games, but who does Beatrice represent? The murderer? If so, then at least some of her capriciousness should be due to the different culprits in every game (assuming not everything is organized by a single mastermind, that is).

And as a further corollary, if this is true it should be possible to guess who the human culprit is in a particular chapter by seeing whose dialogue best matches up with Beatrice. For example, in Episode 5, Hideyoshi brings up the Three Kingdoms, a motif repeatedly taken up again later by Beatrice and her minions...

>>25644686
Same reason Vergillia helped Beato as well as Battler, same reason Beato went off on gruesome tangents trying to "lead him o the truth", same reason the whole Ange thing was a convoluted mess meant to get Battler angry enough to "kill Beatrice"

Battler does his bets work when he is pissed at something

>>25644750
>She's actually pure.
>pure.
Sure.

>>25644717
>>25644726
>>25644671
It's not her personality that changes but the way the readers are positioned to see her.

>>25644750
What's wrong with used goods?

>>25644802
...After looking at the text in spoilers, I now know you're trolling.

>>25644810
>Battler only useful when pissed
>Incompetent.

>>25644797

Sorry, I was just trying to incite some discussion regarding the possibility of Kinzo raping her. I just don't want to believe it, not because it would make Beato used, but because it would make Kinzo an asshole.

>>25644810
Him coming back to life was pretty obviously not part of anyone's plans but Beatrice's, though.

>>25644750
>pure
Sure she is.

>>25644810
>Battler does his bets work when he is pissed at something
Again, it's her reaction that's the problem here. Her work should be done. He figured it out. He's ready to kick ass and take names. And she's fucking pissed about it.

>>25644802
So, Hideyoshi loves Battler?
Hmm... that sounds interesting, please elaborate.

>>25644802
Battler realized the truth of the games, including about Beatrice, in Episode 5. If Beatrice was actually the one killing everyone, his reaction to the truth doesn't really make sense. There's no "so that's why you did it..."; instead, he's all "IF ONLY I COULD HAVE SAVED YOU."

>>25644638

I wonder how DEEN's going to make her look acceptable. I like Gaap, but she's pretty hideous in the games.

>>25644661
>Then why wasn't she excited when he figured everything out?

Because it obviously isn't "over" yet even if Battler is the new Game Master, he knows it and so obviously does Bern. There is a victory behind the victory, a miracle behind the miracle. Which is why the series is still going on

>>25644882
>Gaap
>hideous

>>25644893
What?

>>25644810

But if he's dead, like she wanted, he can't do anything. She also seems to have something personally against Beato. I mean, she gets a little too upset at times for it to be all a game to her.

>>25644852
>it would make Kinzo an asshole

Not necessarily. Kinzo is actually a pitiable old fart, even if he can be awesome at times. Whatever he did to Beatrice, he did seem to regret it.

>>25644893
Again, she was not expecting him to resurrect. She blames it on Lambda before she realizes Lambda is just as shocked as she it.

>>25644750

She probably masturbated in the restrooms instead of reading whenever she went "out" to hide from her roommate.

she probably deluded herself into thinking she was fucking one of her imaginary friends :3

>>25644882
Blame R07

>>25644925

>>25644852
>Kinzo
>Asshole
I don't see nothing wrong with that.

I do believe Kinzo raped or seriously hurt Beato at one point. I don't think she was just born this fucked up.

>>25644961

>born this fucked up.

I don't think so either. Kinzo did some creepy shit.

>>25644925
>Kinzo is actually a flammable old fart

Fixed.

>>25644961

I pray every night that Beato was just really, really drunk in that scene.

People say crazy things when they're drunk. Crazy, nonsensical things with no bearing on reality. They don't just reveal dark secrets from their past when they're drunk right? ;_;

>>25644852

He's already an asshole. He had the little prisoner motrice and everything. I don't see why people ignore that.

>>25645029

>>25645036
She's a masochist AND a sadist, that's too cool to be denied.

>>25644869
Because lets face it: Battler is a flake: He gets fired up and ready to kick ass and take names every arc and does so. . . and next game he back to "meh" until the next atrocity happens.

"Magic doesn't exist!'
"How dare you torture aunt Rosa!"
"I THOUGH YOU HAD REFORMED!!!"
"OOHHhhhh ANGE!!!"
"OOOOHHhh BEATO!!!"

A am convinced he will go back to somewhat apathetic like always at the start of ep 6

>>25644934
No. Lambda was expecting him to come back. She even talks to him while he's still impaled. That is why Lambda is "The Greatest Troll in the Universe". Without her approval Battler would have never become the Endless Sorcerer either.

Also I find it weird how Battler just UNDERSTOOD like that. Basically a bunch of scenes flash by and then he's like: AND THEN I KNEW.

Still in EP 6 he's going to need to figure out a new set of mysteries. He only understands all the games up to that point (including EP 5) but EP 6 is another fresh start.

I got a question:

If Battler read Higurashi before, would he know a bit more about Bern than he should?

I don't think Kinzo had any intent to be a serial rapist or anything. Asides from the inherent fucked-upness of shutting up girls in a hidden mansion in the first place, he seemed decently kind to Moetrice and might have even learned something from her death (seeing as Beatrice III wasn't also raised with her only identity being "Beatrice".) It seems like he just lost it and snapped once, and then went insane with guilt.

Please R07, let me have this scene.

>>25645053
>>25645029
Sup?

Manly Battler is manly.

>>25645099
LEGS MY ONLY WEAKNESS

>>25645052

Maybe he was just trying to keep that one away from the cruelty of the world. Maybe he tried the same thing again on the Beato we know now only x100 after losing the last one. Maybe she responded to it very negatively, and he had to do something that wasn't rape that she speaks of when drunk as if it were rape.

Kinzo's not an asshole damn it!

>>25645109
>It seems like he just lost it and snapped once, and then went insane with guilt.

Well, he kept on drinking absinthe.

>>25645104
Piece battler from that game read Higurashi, we don't know if meta Battler also read it

>>25645036
Sure, my boy, sure.

>>25645052
;_;

>>25645130

Get out of here, faggot.

>>25645099
>No. Lambda was expecting him to come back. She even talks to him while he's still impaled.
She was hoping he still had something up his sleeve, but was getting ready to leave when it didn't appear to be the case. She suspected, but she wasn't BEHIND it.

>>25645153
Meta-Battler is the Battler from EP 1. That scene happens in EP 1.

>>25644882
>she's pretty hideous

You're just a country bumpkin who can't understand her style.

>>25645104
What about Lamda who says she hasn't finished higurashi yet and doesn't want Bern to spoil it for her?

:3

>>25645156
Stop trying to look like me faggot.

>>25645153
actually, this is from the first ep. when meta and piece were one

>>25645150
This bit implies to me that Kinzo's alcoholism had a role in whatever it is he did, actually.

>>25645180
She's probably just joking.

>>25645197

>>25645099
>No. Lambda was expecting him to come back.

She never saw the Golden Truth/Sword coming, though. She wtf'd as much as anyone else during that scene.

>>25645176
Gaap has tons of style.

>>25645176
Everytime I post this, I start reading the entire thread in engrish.

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

>>25645238
The sword part yes. But she DID expect Battler to come back (she talked to him while he was stabbed after all) and approved of him being Endless Sorcerer, which what really got Bern mad.

>>25645104
>>25645180
I think the Higurashi bits are just there to make reference, and perhaps for marketing purposes.

>>25645146

Or maybe he just liked have a beatrice he could own and rape anytime he wanted to

>>25645180
Weird how she talks about the game that she made yet doesn't know the ending. Maybe this is a sign saying that Lambda just gave Takano the wish and left everything up to her. 100+ years later, Bern pops out from the game. That's probably all she knows

>>25645146
He is an asshole. Keeping Beato trapped in a mansion is torture, not protection. Hell, after Beato II died he probably asked for another little girl that looked just like Beato so he could keep obsessing over her.

But, yes, I do believe that if he raped her, he just did it once. Now about the torture chamber... I'm not so sure.

>>25645225
>>25645243
I'd play this.

>>25645318
Or maybe we just assume Bern and Lambda's game was Higurashi. It's never said what their game was and Ryukishi even said in an interview that he wondered why people connected Bern and Lambda to Rika and Takano and Higurashi in general.

Then again, Ryukishi is a confirmed troll.

>>25645274
>which what really got Bern mad

Bern didn't really get mad. She started laughing right afterwards.

Anyway, Bern and Lambda just do whatever they please. For example, they were the ones who told Battler he shouldn't tackle the mystery from an "anti-fantasy" point of view, but purely from a "mystery" point of view.

Those 2 are having fun. Sure, they may have hidden agendas, but well, I don't think we can tell what they may be planning as of now.

why has nobody said I wouldn't put it past grandfather yet

Did anyone use atlas to read Ep5? Was wondering on the quality of the translation was and if it was worth it. I'm getting impatient waiting for Witchhunt

>>25645401
It is IMPLIED

>>25645398
> Bern didn't really get mad. She started laughing right afterwards.
No, that was Lambda. Bern got pissed.

>>25645273
Jyakku za Rippa, Kurisumasu Buraado.

>>25645403

it's shit. read this http://lijianliang.livejournal.com/

>>25645403
It was actually better than I thought, for the most part, though some of that was due to my rudimentary knowledge of Japanese grammar as well.

>>25645440
But yeah, it's no substitute for a proper translation.

>>25645424
She got angry for a second, then she started laughing in front of Erika.

>>25645401
I love that show!

Krauss: Father! Where are all our guests?
Kinzo: I sacrificed them to Beatrice!
Krauss: But they were all our important business clients!
Kinzo: UUUOOOOOOOAAAAH, BBBEEEEAAAATTTTRRRRIIICCCCHHHEEEEEE!
The family: Oh, grandfather!

laughtrack

>>25645403
The game has only been out for roughly a month and you're expecting WH to go faster? They've already done 1/4th of the game in translation give them a fucking break. They also said when they release it will be a full patch not a partial one.

WH is probably one of the fastest translation groups out there. Stop bawing because you wanna fap to camotose Beato.

They've made it into a game because that's the only way either of them will agree to the rules.

Not that the rules are any different this time than they ever are, ever were, ever will be for all eternity, but it's nice to pretend there's a sort of structure to the tangled webs they weave.

"If you surrender, I win! Got it?"

So they begin with petting. Lambdadelta curls her fingers in Bernkastel's hair and gives a sharp yank that results in a soft grunt but nothing else. Angered, she lightens her touch and strokes the witch's hair, kissing a spot under her jaw that she remembers biting at last time. There's no scar, so Lambda nips her again and this time she almost swears Bern gives a yelp.

>>25645506

Then they move onto kissing, which Lambda's always been quite good at. She knows the proper way to snag her opponent's lower lip between her teeth, sucking until surely there's a bruise left behind. She knows that you're supposed to wait a few minutes before slipping a tongue into your rival's mouth, before gripping them at the base of their neck and tilting their head back so you have the perfect angle. The only problem is that when they pull away to breathe, there's absolutely no change in Bern's expression whatsoever. Aside from smoldering eyes which are slightly glazed and cheeks that are a bit darker, she's wearing the same blank face as always. Lambda wants to scream and punch her in the face.

>>25645322

Okay, maybe Kinzo is an asshole. But am I supposed to consider Beato to be some kind of Mother Mary in her ability to forgive the man who raped her so easily? Like when she says that she'll always remember the time they spent together in the Ep4 tea party when Battler blew Kinzo away, she's just able to use her magic to forget something so terrible?

No. Don't. Not the 'Love..truth...seen" bullshit. I can't believe that Kinzo is an asshole. I won't believe it!

>>25645489
Battler enters stage right
Battler: Ey!

Applause

I think there's something fishy about this scene. Do you guys think this apparently unimportant scene may have some actual relevance?

>>25645494
Never implied that, like i said, I'm impatient and I'm just looking for substitutes other than summaries

>>25645526

Instead she pushes Bern onto her back, watching with amusement as a look of surprise flickers across her face for the briefest of moments before fading into stoicism once again. Then Lambda sinks to her knees and straddles the dark-haired witch's waist and runs her hands down the front of her pretty little dress, ripping it not a moment later so that Bern's entire front is exposed and there is white lace all over the checkered floor. Giggling madly, Lambda peppers her enemy's chest with little oval-shaped marks, sucking and licking where she can, blowing softly where she cannot reach at this angle. It's only when Bernkastel gives a slight shiver that Lambda can assure herself of victory. For she is the Witch of Certainty, and nothing (save Bern) will stand in the way of her triumph.

>>25645555

What's frustrating about winning, though is that Bern never really...well, looses the way Lambdadelta wants her to. Even when she's got three fingers inside and Bern is arching, molding herself to Lambdadelta's hand, fists clenched and scrabbling for purchase in her torn garments. Even when her breathing becomes short, desperate, and Bernkastel's unsettling eyes begin to close. It's never enough. When Bern comes she lets out a short, high-pitched squeak and nothing else. She never groans and she never calls out. She never says anything crude and she certainly doesn't scream.

But worst of all is that she never – ever – says Lambdadelta's name.

>>25645506
>>25645526
Oh shi—

>>25645532

Probably Kinzo wasn't always a bad guy. That scene was good though, Kinzo trying to protect Beato from stupid Battler.

>>25645532
>But am I supposed to consider Beato to be some kind of Mother Mary in her ability to forgive the man who raped her so easily?

Kinzo was probably usually a nice person to her. After all, she did say she though of him as a friend and as a father. Loli Beato thought of him as her grandfather.

Maybe it was really just a mistake.

F5F5F5

>>25645532
Beato loves Kinzo as a father. After seeing him spent half of his life trying to apologize to you, suffering each day until he finally died tormented by what he did, you'd have to be pretty heartless to not forgive him, or at least, to recognize that you'll always miss the good times you spent with him.

>>25645480
Just flipped through that scene again. She laughed, but in the sense of I CAN'T FUCKING BELIEVE THIS SHIT and then started raging hardcore afterwards. She tried to cut in on Lambda recognizing Battler, too, but Lambda overruled her.

>>25645545

oh, you.

>>25645626

So, any guesses as to how he's been trying to atone all this time? I'd like to atone in alcohol too.

>>25645646
>She tried to cut in on Lambda recognizing Battler, too, but Lambda overruled her.

Hah... Bern got told.
Seriously, I'm sure Lambda knows more than what she tells us. What an amazing troll.

>>25645539
Kinzo: Look, it's my magic-denying grandchild!
Battler: Woah! Don't be like that, old man! I'm just saying witches don't exist!
Kinzo: You young punk!

>>25645545
The kanji for the "ma" in "Manon" has the same meaning as the kanji for the "ma" in "Maria", by the way, even though they look slightly different.

>>25645724
>So, any guesses as to how he's been trying to atone all this time?

By being dead.

>>25645506
>>25645526
>>25645555
>>25645579
MORE PLEASE

>>25645747
Ahahahaha!

>>25645776

I miss something? He seppuku'd or something?

>>25645747
>>25645539
>>25645489

This would be so bad it'd be hilarious.

I'd watch it everyday

>>25645724
All we know is that he spent everyday of his life thinking about Beatrice and torturing himself to madness for what he did to her.

>>25645814
Have you read Episode 4?

>>25645814

no, he died peacefully

>>25645753

>>25645835

It better be awesome how he atoned, if he's just a repentant Mato Zouken I will cry. KINZOOOOOOOOOO

>>25645814
no, he's dead before the game starts

>>25645862

What an asshole, dying like that.

>>25645871
Don't forget the bit where Kinzo didn't want Rosa to name Maria "Maria", too.

I definitely wouldn't be upset if the KINZO RAPIST thing wasn't true, I'm not wild about the device, personally, but the series does seem to hint at it really, really strongly.

Still, if he just, uh, beat her up once or something as opposed to rape I wouldn't exactly cry about it.

>>25645935
Sure thing

>>25645747
Battler: Why are all the rooms locked from the inside again?
Kyrie: Probably grandfather trying to prove to you that witches exist
Battler: That's crazy! Would he even waste time doing that?!
Kyrie: I wouldn't put it past grandfather

laughtrackandclapping

>>25645747
Kind of reminds me of that thread where some fag kept complaining about the weeaboo terms like "aniki" and "Shannon-chan" Then someone translated what Battler would say something like "Yo bro George lookin' good with Shanny there".

And FUCK if that's Battler, I can't even imagine Jessica.

All this talk of implied rape reminds me of a question I've had. In Higurashi, was Takano raped in that orphanage?

>>25645747
Then at the end of the season, Battler runs away after a heated argument with Kinzo and crashes his motorcycle.

Awwwwww

>>25645993
I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi07

>>25645993
>implying we're talking about implying rape

>>25645993
I don't think she was, but apparently they tied her best friend down, scattered chicken feed over the girl's body, and let chickens loose on her. Quite a gruesome way to die.

>>25645961
>>25645747
>>25645539
>>25645489
someone should make a gag dub like this

>>25645992
>"Yo bro George lookin' good with Shanny there".

>>25645993
>In Higurashi, was Takano raped in that orphanage?

I wouldn't know, but Rena almost got raped before she moved to Hinamizawa.

>>25646040
Sounds like a great idea.

>>25646039

>>25646053

Yes! Almost raped. That's an awesome plot device. Not like having been raped. That's a terrible one.

So Beato was 'almost raped' too. Right? Right?

>>25645753
What's the kanji for Manon?

>>25646040
That would be so much win.

>>25645953

>>25646132
眞音

(Maria's name is 真里亞)

>>25646040
I must be a part of this.

>>25646186

I doubt anyone would take you after hearing your previous work.

>>25646186
>>25646040
>>25646086
>>25646141

Do it faggots.

>>25646172
>眞音
>眞

Is this even a common kanji?

>>25646224
He did the K-ON dub.
He's in.

>>25646224
Or would they?

>>25646166
wow, now it actually makes sense why some people are claiming that beato's name is maria. I thought it was only because of the Rosa naming incident

Kinzo sitcom sounds hilarious.

>>25646298
07th Expansion character design at it's finest.

>>25646294

no, there are several reasons for that, we dont just come with things from nowhere.

too bad I'm too lazy now just to point off all the evidence.

>>25646373
You got somethin' against the armored gauntlet?

>>25645753
>>25645871
>>25645935
>>25645953
>>25646166
>>25646172
>>25646294
Manon-fag here

I love you guys.

>>25646098

yes, minus the almost

enters Beato

cheering and applauding

Beato: So you don't believe in witches, do you Batoraaaaaaa?
Battler: Hey Jessica, did you hear something?
Jessica: Um, Battler, I think that's the wi-
Battler: Nope, it's probably just me
Beato: Why you!
Battler: Oh, hey!
Beato: So you finally noticed me?
Battler: Nice dress Shannon!
laughtrack
Beato: I'm not Shannon!
Battler: Sure you are! The old man just ordered you to do this to convince me, right?
Jessica: Well, I wouldn't put it past grandfather

>>25646396
Eh, the posted screencaps are most of the evidence, asides from the necessity of Beatrice having another name in the first place.

It's probably a weaker aspect of the extended pony theory, but I like it anyway.

>>25646404
No, I have something against those... pants, or whatever they are supposed to be.

>>25646166
Just wondering, did Ange confirm the actual 'time' the letter was written? Like was it written back in 1986, or was it possible that it was written before that year?

>>25646294
Note that the way Ange was able to verify it as Beatrice's handwriting was by the fact that the letters were written in the same handwriting as the neat handwriting in Maria's diary that had drawn all the magic circles and such.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the letters with keys to the vaults and such were written in the same handwriting.

So we're not getting ep 13 subbed today either.

>>25646437
*laughs and cheering*

>>25646458
I don't think she confirmed that, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll look back over the scene where she discusses it with the Witch Hunt guy though.

>>25646475
Nope.

DAMN ASMODIANS

>>25646437
Fuck, I shouldn't have laughed.

Erika: Then how could Kinzo escape?!
Beatrice: He jumped out the window!
Erika: The window?! This is the third floor!
Everyone: I wouldn't put it past grandfather!

Laughing and Applause

>>25646506

>>25646455
You got somethin' against the Angel Mort uniform?

>>25646541
oh gawd, i lol'd

>>25646534
>DAMN ASMODIANS

So, who killed Asmodean?

>>25646444

- Happy hallowen maria?
- manon?
- Beatrice = furniture of the Ushiromiya famility
- Happy Maria playing only when Beatrice is present
- Kinzo opossed to name Rosa's daughter as Maria
- The letter

I'm probably forgiving some of them

>>25646583
NO, NOT THAT

THESE

>>25646632
Actually, the "Happy Halloween for Maria" hadn't been mentioned yet, but that could go either way, though the fact that it was written in English is interesting.

>>25646506
This was the best I could get.

>>25646632
Don't forget Ronove's: "That is why furniture is so frightening. Sometimes they even become witches, and treat demons as butlers."

>>25646703
Huh. Before. That's interesting.

>>25646650
Oh, her leggings.

Yeah, I have no fucking clue what's up with those, but I like 'em.

>>25645579
Fuck, I want more.

>>25646632

forgetting*

jeez.

>>25646726
Yeah, Ange goes on to theorize that this means the crime was planned out way in advance, which the matching handwriting on the keycards/money letters would seem to support too.

>>25646691
Because she had every reason to be happy. The murder scene in the chapel wasn't a blasphemous parody of a celebration. It wasn't a parody at all! It was meant to be a real celebration! A big damn halloween party with drinks and candies and decorations, presided over by the smiling Witch of Rokkenjima. All to cheer up a heartbroken nine year old girl. How great would that have been, seriously?

This goes a long way to explaining Rosa's witch encounter in the rose garden. Beatrice (really Sayo in a funny wig, but Maria is't going to notice) gives the two of them envelopes — Rosa's (containing an invitation the party) 'to open at the family conference' and Maria's (containing the chapel key) 'to open at the right time'. Too bad Rosa just plain forgot about hers until past Maria's bedtime. It also explains why Beatrice affected a jacket-and-tie look for that episode: lavish Western-style dresses are hard to come by at short notice in the Izu Archipelago.

Now turn the chessboard around. Think of the the poor killer who lugged six heavy corpses across the island in darkness and the pouring rain, soaked to the skin, shivering and exhausted, and then turned on the lights and said... "The fuck?"

>>25646729
They look retarded.

So does anyone here ship anything else besides Battler and Beato. Any alternative Battler pairings? Lucifer... Erika?

>>25646804
Battler x Beatrice >>> parent couples >>> cousin couples

>>25646804
LambdaxBern

>>25646793
That actually reminds me, the "During Episode 2, Kanon temporarily left, and Beatrice came in" theory was mostly a crack theory trying to come up with anything to get her on, but the fact that the manga and anime both actually kept the apparently pointless scene of Maria alerting Kanon that Beatrice was on her way sort of makes me wonder.

>>25646793

no

>>25646793

You'd think Shannon would say something about the grotesque setup.

I'm sure the culprit enjoyed himself anyway. Tons of jelly to slather all over the gutted adults.

>>25646793
what

>>25646794

>>25646822
Fact.

>>25646793
>Beatrice (really Sayo in a funny wig, but Maria is't going to notice)

She must have worked wonders to put her one-winged eagle crest in the other leg.

>>25646455
dat bulge

>>25646883
THEY DO

>>25646774
Beatrice left Rokkenjima in 1985 when Kinzo died, went looking for Battler, and while trying to track him down ran right into the killer who saw her and was inspired for lol witch legend murders, maybe?

>>25646804
No. Battler and Erika is fucking stupid. Lucifer/Battler is close to being as stupid. I like the parents and Lambda/Bern.

>>25646894

fog and MIRRORS, of course.

>>25646804
Ange x Mammon is supposedly popular I don't really see it though...

>>25646926
Dlanor's outfit isn't actually the first outfit I've seen them on, but I can't remember where I've seen them previously.

>>25646804

I ship the only happy couple in Umineko. :3

>>25646894
Wouldn't put it past- wait a minute...

>>25646804
Lambda/Bern, parents (besides Natsuhi and Krauss), Ange/Mammon, BROnove/Battler, the cousins, Gaap/Virgilia, Maria/Beato, Sakutaro cross EVERYONE

>>25646964
Doesn't make them less retarded. I guess the boots make them look even worse.

>>25646947
Magic, ladies and gentlemen.

>>25646962
> Ange x Mammon
> Girl with lots and lots of money x the Stake of Greed
> don't really see it
Dude.

>>25646993
>Sakutaro cross EVERYONE

A stuffed animal gets more pussy then the rest of the cast.

>>25646804

Lambda/Bern, Gaap/Virgilia, Jessica/Kanon, Mammon/Ange, and Ronove/Battler in a bromance kind of way.

I don't like BeatoBattler.

>>25646804
>So does anyone here ship anything else besides Battler and Beato. Any alternative Battler pairings? Lucifer... Erika?
I like all the canon couples to various degrees. Parents, cousins/their desks, ect. Don't really ship Lambda/Bern, but I think it adds depth to their characters, so I'm totally cool with it.

I mostly just just shrug at alternate Battler couples. To me, it was obvious that Lucifer didn't actually like him romantically--she was more excited about the gift than who was giving it--and if Erika likes anyone, it's Bern.

Umineko is really obvious in its couples.

>>25646804
I ship Ronove/Gaap. No, I don't know why either.

>>25647041
Hey, I'd do it.
Besides, I'm pro-fantasy.

>>25647042

you're back....colored.

>>25647042
Aw yeah

>>25647062
No love for DONOVAN?

>>25646804
Genji x Gohda ;_;

>>25646774

The handwriting really throws some theories out the window...I can't think of any way to forge such a thing in that day and age. And we know there's no way that 9-year old Maria could have done so...

>>25647106
Also, given both police investigation and how dedicated the Witch Hunters were, I can't really imagine that if they checked it against Maria's handwriting, they didn't check it against everyone else's too.

Seacat's Culprit X:

Battler is innocent.
Natsuhi is innocent.
Krauss is innocent.
Maria is a young kid she is not the culprit even if she is a fucked up retard.
Maria cont: more Killer loli's, fuck no.
Kumisawa is Beatrice 1, not the culprit, however she can be an accomplice at times.
Genji = furniture, he is an accomplice.
Shannon: high chance that she is Beatrice and the main culprit.
Kanon: high chance that he is Battler # 2 and/or the new kinzo, this could mean he is also the main culprit.
Kanon cont: Kanon could be Beatrice # 3...
Eva: ruled out due to early death in EP 2
Hideyoshi: ruled out due to early death in EP 2
Rudolf: ruled out due to early death in EP 1,2
Kyrie: ruled out due to early death in EP 1,2
George: highly suspicious, could be the new goldsmith/kinzo, "would kill for shannon/beatrice/sayo"
Jessica: her death in EP 4 is highly suspicious, could be Beatrice 3, however Battler does see dress beato in EP 1
during the final chapter...
Gohda: Magical Gohda Chef: suspicion level is too high to logicly convey
Nanjo: he lusts for Kinzo, never dies during the 1st and 2nd twilight, EVER
Nanjo cont: accomplice route: could be an accomplice to george/jessica/Shannon/Kanon/Rosa.
Kinzo, because ghosts can fuck shit up: Each episode has a different murderer each ep all following kinzo's orders.
Kinzo cont: Bullshit.
Rosa: survives most of EP 2 game (or actually survives, who knows), If she is the main culprit then how can she give
orders to her accomplices in EP 2, when battler is with her at, all, fucking, times.
Rosa cont: could be beatrice 3... why...

>>25647173
GENJI, NANJO, KUMISAWA NEVER COMMIT MURDER (EP 1) therefore they cannot be the main murderer throughout

Gouging twilight survivors:
Game 1: Natsuhi, George, Jessica, Battler, Maria: Possibly shannon and kanon
Game 2: Rosa, Genji, Battler, Maria: Possibly shannon,kanon and jessica. But definitely not kinzo.
Game 3: Jessica, Eva, George?, Nanjo, Battler: Possibly Hideyoshi or Kyrie or "Kanon".
Game 4: Maria, Battler: to be honest, anyone could be alive
Game 4 cont: Gohda, Kumisawa and George are not suit Beatrice.

Love is the culprits motive.
Kinzo = love for beatrice.
George = love for shannon.
Shannon = love for George?
Shannon = Beatrice 3 = love for battler.
Kanon = Beatrice 3... = love for battler.
Jessica = Beatrice 3... = love for battler. Incest.
Rosa = Beatrice 3... = love for maria/battler. Superior Incest.
Gohda = love for Battler.

>>25647173

I hate amateur detective threads

>>25647135
I knew it; it was the fucking ghost writer.

>>25646804
Kinzo X Beatrice.
Indeed, the message of Umineko is love. And that love is between Kinzo and Beatrice. Beatrice is going through this amazing elaborate scheme in order to bring back Kinzo through him possessing Battler's body. Thus, gaining the status of a warlock, so the two can live together for eternity.
Last thing Battler hears as his soul fades away is Beatrice cackling that he could never compare to Kinzo.

>>25646804
Gohda x Beelzebub

>>25647173
>>25647184
I love this pasta.

>>25647213
go to bed Kinzo, nobody believes that

>>25647184
>Gohda = love for Battler.
wat

>>25647106

didn't maria also know that the murders were going to take place? is it possible that someone was instructing her to write those letters?

>>25647173
>Kanon cont: Kanon could be Beatrice # 3...

Prior to his sin, Battler was Beatrice's apprentice.

In other words, he was just like Maria once: not only did he faithfully believe in magic, he wanted to be a witch (or warlock, or madan), so he became Beatrice's apprentice. He trusted her completely, certain that he had nothing to fear — Beatrice would make everything better. Or help him make things better. Even as he grew older and was supposed to 'outgrow such silly superstitions', he still believed in Beatrice.

Then something horrible happened. Maybe Asumu grew ill and passed away, even though Battler pleaded with Beatrice to save her. Maybe his relationship with Asumu wasn't that great and he cursed her before her death. (This could've been accidental: maybe he heard his parents fighting and cursed the 'other woman', the one who wasn't his mother... and whoops!) Whatever the case, he took out his anger on Beatrice, blaming her for everything and declaring her an evil, heartless witch.

He may even have been the one who originally taught Maria that Beatrice was a good witch before having his falling out with Beato six years ago. He could even have gone on a rant in front of his impressionable cousin afterwards, disavowing Beatrice as evil and horrible and scarring poor little Maria's mind, skewing her pure-hearted belief in the Golden Witch towards a more old-school fairies mindset.

>>25647291
That doesn't really explain the 'different handwriting' bit.

>>25647086
Does Dlanor actually interact with Ronove in 5?

>>25647319
lolwut

>Gohda = love for Battler.

>>25647319

think i saw a movie like this on disney years ago or some shit like it

>>25647319
Nope.

>>25647319

probably true. battler is an asshole and everything

>>25647323
>>25647348
this explains the whole Ep.4 Sakutarou thing

>>25647392
I did find it terribly familiar as well.

Also, we're autosaging.

GohdaXBattler is now OTP

Don't mind me, just being the evil mastermind.

I had some gouda cheese today, it was pretty good.

>>25647546
Honestly, few things would give me more pleasure than Rudolph and/or Kyrie being the masterminds.

Such a sweet irony.

New thread?

>>25647546

How can she be the evil mastermind? She dies first every single fucking game.

>>25647604

Or does she?

>>25647604
Not in 3, 4, and 5.

>>25647604
niggas don't know about my takano

New thread?

>>25647546
That's not Natsuhi.

Battler is the killer in all the games.

>>25647640

Takano generally just set everything up to fall apart on its own.

>>25647677
>implicating Natsuhi
>picture of Erika

>>25647604
>She dies first every single fucking game.

Only in the first and second games. She does quite well in the third and fourth games.

>>25647677
Oh you.

>>25647699
>Takano generally just set everything up to fall apart on its own.

It happens Kyrie is one of the few people in Rokkenjima with an actual good brain.

>>25647670
>>25647594

do it

>>25647291
Maria is the only witch in Umineko.
It's been suggested that Maria is a creator witch, so why couldn't she create other witches?

Possible evidence: In the manga, Maria's notebook has drawings of Beatrice (not too surprising), but also of Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, well before they appeared in the story

>>25647690

Battler never murdered anyone. Red text says so.

>>25647767
Which Battler?

>>25647800

new thread

>>25647604
>How can she be the evil mastermind? She dies first every single fucking game.

>>25647604
>How can she be the evil mastermind? She dies first every single fucking game.